"Martha, we need to at least consider it. Look at all he's done - all he'll do. Land sakes, what he did to Conner - are we supposed to just nod along and act like nothing's changed? He's our boy, but from the sound of it he was willing to hurt our other boy and lock him away without a care in the world."

He shook his head.

"He didn't care about Conner or what it'd do to us, thinking he might be dead."

He jutted out his jaw.

"There's lines, Martha. There's so many lines he's crossed. He killed poor Oliver right in front of us. Why, he even left me there in the Fortress with that arrow in my arm so he could run off after Bruce. All of it shows what he thinks of this family. Not a care for anything we ever taught him, any of the values this family holds dear, for Conner, for us, for anything but his crusade."

Pa was not a man of many words but right now he had more to say than he probably ever had before.

"A crusade it'd break Lois's heart to see, God rest her soul."